Trove Detective: A Real Turner Bonanza

Good news!

Jonathon Turner WW1 PhotoTop row – Frank, Jack, George & Len Turner
Front row – William (father), Syd, Roy & Bill Turner

Thanks to George’s grandson, Jonathon Turner we now have this photograph of the Turner Family (about 1919-1920) which was mentioned in a previous blog. All seven sons returned from World War I and are probably wearing a discharged returned soldier’s badge like the one below. Thanks to  the Australian War Memorial who knew this badge but not the father’s one. No idea about the father’s badge so if you know, please let us know too. 

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WW1 War Records: Alfred Pendleton & the AIF Project

Alfred Pendleton (1891-1951) AIF Service Number 313

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START HERE at the AIF PROJECT and save a lot of time & effort looking for WW1 servicemen. This database uses the records from the Australian War Memorial and the National Archives of Australia and although they don’t identify the source it’s not too hard to find most of it. Another bonus is that ADFA understand war records better than most of us civilians. Here is some of the personal information it told me about Alfred Pendleton and his family. Perhaps you know of them and can add to their story. Unfortunately, I was unable to find a photo of Alfred online and I do not know of any photos of his two sisters and brother who came to Australia either.

The AIF Project tells us that Alfred Pendleton served in the AIF at Gallipoli, Egypt and the Western Front. He left Australia on the ‘Themistocles’ on 12 May, 1915 and returned on the ‘Konigen Luise’ in February 1920.

Alfred was a bookbinder when he enlisted in February, 1915 and worked at Shorrocks & Davies, Manchester in 1919. He was born in Manchester, England about 1890-1891 and died on 13 January, 1951 in Sydney.

Alfred’s sisters were Mrs Wood of Bondi and Florence Pendleton of Cowra. Alfred married Ethel Davies aged 29, at St John’s Anglican Church, Lancaster on  11 February 1918 (& are known to have had at least 3 children in Australia). I wish I had a picture of Alfred Pendleton and his family. Can anyone help?

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Trove Detective: Hobart: Sailing to the ends of the Earth

Affairs of the Heart.

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1920. T.S.N Company’s S.S. Oonah, Built 1888, in original rig.  SLVic. H92.330/14  

Hobart is a very long way from London, but would seem the perfect place to escape your recent past and start a new life, unless of course the party you are escaping from deems no obstacle to be insurmountable. Edith Cobby arrived in Hobart in 1888 at the age of 24, en route to Sydney. What on earth would she have made of Hobart and the imposing Mount Wellington nearby? LINC Tasmania includes many old photographs of Hobart from the State Library of Tasmania that provide tantalising visual clues. On Trove, a search of the digitised newspapers finds an article and a double page sketch of Hobart Town in 1879 from the Australian Sketcher with Pen and Pencil. I love these illustrations!

Fortunately, we know that Edith sailed on the Doric to Hobart and proceeded on the Oonah to Sydney where she arrived on 24 Sept 1888. The Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists on the Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters for the Oonah verify that Miss E Cobby was indeed aboard. This does not appear in the State Records of New South Wales which hosts this site, or on ancestry.com. Neither does the SS Doric, as the Tasmanian Records are not readily accessible online, although they can be found with a little patience at Linc Tasmania. We are taking the picturesque route via Trove to discover the comings and goings of the shipping arrivals and departures in Hobart during September, 1888 to find when Edith left Plymouth and Hobart.

Back on Trove, we find the Launceston Examiner detailing the SS Doric’s arrival in Hobart on 18 September, 1888 and giving an account of its voyage and departure from London on 9th August, 1888. The Hobart Mercury dated 19th September, 1888 gives an extremely detailed account of the ship’s voyage, if you wish to know more.

HOBART SHIPPING. (By Electric Telegraph.)

ARRIVED. Sept. 18-Doric, a, 4784 tone, J. W. Jennings, commander, from London.

Sept. 18-Oonah, s, 1700 tons, H. Bennison, commander, from Sydney. T.S.N. Co., agents.

Tuesday. The Doric left London on August 9, Plymouth on August 11, Teneriffe on August 16, and the Cape on the 31st; anchored to-day at 1 p.m., this being the fastest passage yet accomplished. Had fine weather almost throughout. Two deaths occurred during the voyage. Alex. Coupar, fireman, was missed on August 18, in latitude 17 deg., lmin, N., 18 deg., 20 W. No trace of him was found. Alice Marlbew, aged 6 months, the child of a steerage passenger, succumbed to injuries by scalding. The Doric lands 30 passengers for Hobart and two for Launceston. Amongst those travelling to New Zealand are General Ogilvy, an Indian officer, Mr. Dixon, M.P., for Birmingham, and a son of General Booth. The cargo for here and Launceston amounts to 500 tons. The Doric leaves to-morrow.

The Oonah didn’t come up in the search results but after trolling through the Shipping notices for the most likely days we find the Oonah in the Launceston Examiner of 22 September. After fixing some spelling it should now be fine to search.

HOBART SHIPPING. (By Electric Telegraph.)

SAILED. Sept. 21-Oonah, 1700 tones, H. Bennison, Commander, for Sydney. T.S.N. Company, agents. Passengers – Saloon : Mesdames Langworthy, Forrest (2), Lodge, Boddam, and Cambridge; Misses Rook, Colley, Brown, and James : Messrs. Rook, Ramsay, Atwood, Marks, Turnbull, and Lodge; with three in the steerage.

The Ships List is an excellent resource for all things shipping including passenger lists, details of ships, fleets and even pictures or diaries. One of their recent special projects was 1847 Famine immigrants from Ireland. It’s worth checking out if you want to know more about the Doric or the White Star Line.

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Trove Detective: A Turner Bonanza

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Whilst perusing Trove I came across images of ‘Two Patriotic Families’ in the South Australian Chronicle dated 24 June 1916. They were the seven Turner brothers and the seven Cooper brothers. Incredibly the Coopers also had pictures of the mother and father. Unfortunately, the names of the Turner brothers was rather hard to read but undaunted I searched the WW1 Nominal Roll at the Australian War Memorial until I found one of them. There was only one B.R. Turner and Two G.A. Turners.

Private Bernard Roy Turner, Service No. 384, Enlisted 10.4.1916, 5th Machine Gun Battalion, Returned to Australia 5.7.1919.

The WW1 Embarkation Roll shows he was aged 22, from Croydon, SA and his wife was Nellie May F. Turner. So far so good but still only a maybe.

Next was a search of the World War 1 service dossiers at the National Archives of Australia which showed that B R Turner was born in Quorn, SA; enlisted in Adelaide and his wife was Nellie May Fuller Turner.

Turner Bernard Roy : SERN 384 :POB Quorn SA : POE Adelaide SA : NOK W Turner Nellie May Fuller

Returning to the other brothers I found two George Alfred Turner’s in the service dossiers at the National Archives of Australia, and one was born at Quorn, S.A; enlisted at Oaklands, S.A. and his father’s name was William Turner.

Turner George Alfred : SERN 1429 :POB Quorn SA : POE Oaklands SA : NOK F Turner William. George Alfred Turner was aged 19 and a bicycle builder when he enlisted in December 1914.

A further search for Turner & Quorn of the dossiers also resulted in Turner Le(o)nard Kabanagh : SERN 1430 : POB Quorn SA : POE Oaklands SA : NOK F Turner William. On the Embarkation Rolls Lance Corporal Leonard Kavanagh Turner was aged 23 and a driver. George & Leonard had the same address and next of kin at Bowden, SA so were probably related.

Maybe these are three of the brothers. A quick google search found the whole Quorn Turner family. If this is your family you can check if the following details are correct.

William Turner was born on 15 Oct 1862 in New Hamburg, South Australia, Australia and died on 5 Aug 1920 at age 57. William married Julia Kavanagh on 24 Oct 1882 in St Laurence, North Adelaide, South Australia.12 Julia was born on 7 Nov 1864 and died on 11 Dec 1897 in Bowden, South Australia, Australia at age 33.They had eight children: Francis James, William, Mary Ellen, Sydney Joseph, Frederick John, Leonard Kavanagh, Bernard Roy and George Alfred.

This appears to match the names under the 1916 image. After checking the date of birth and next of kin against the family history I edited the article and left a comment that gave their names as follows:

1. Corporal J. Turner (Maybe Francis James or Frederick John? No Corporal?)

2. Lance-Corporal Turner (Leonard Kavanagh Turner SERN: 1430)

3. Farrier W. Turner (William Turner SERN:?) 

4. Private S. J. Turner (Sydney Joseph Turner SERN:?)

5. Private B. R. Turner (Bernard Roy Turner SERN:384)

6. Private G. A. Turner (George Alfred Turner: SERN 1429)

7. Private F. J. Turner (Maybe Francis James SERN: 4172 or Frederick John: 2478)

If you know this family, I hope this information helps. The details from the family history site are only a first step in verifying details such as date of birth or next of kin from the war records so please let me know if they need correcting or you know the service numbers for the brothers. Wouldn’t we all love to find a picture of seven siblings together or better still with their parents?

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Trove Detective: Meeting Queenie Royal, a lovely lady.

A Story with No Rhyme or Reason

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Ballerina Queenie Royal in a long tutu. Sam Hood. SLNSW a296054

I met Queenie Royal when I was a small child. We had lost our dog. It was very dark and stormy that day. My brother and I kept knocking on doors asking if anyone had seen our dog. Many houses later, we came upon a suburban oasis with a wonderful rose garden. This was Queenie’s house. She was a kind hearted lady who had found our dog and we were very grateful to see our dog, get out of the rain and be fed by this lovely lady. We visited her many times after this and she shared some of her stories . She was always very kind and welcoming to my assortment of brothers and sisters and myself. To me she was very special as she taught me to appreciate the beautiful things in life and to look for the beauty within people and around us. The photo of Queenie Royal above is from the State Library of New South Wales which has an album of theatrical photos by Sam Hood. The photo below is also from the State Library of New South Wales Collection of Sam Hood images. The Capitol Theatre Ballet is advertising Jantzen costumes and Miners Lemon Creme moisturizer at Tamarama Beach, Sydney in 1933.

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Queenie Royal with closed umbrella. Sam Hood 1933. SLNSW 05159r

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Group of beach beauties in Jantzen swim-suits, advertising Miners Lemon Creme moisturizer, at Tamarama; Capitol Theatre ballet girl, Queenie Royal, on the right. Sam Hood 1933. SLNSW 05160r

An article from the Sydney Morning Herald dated 19 November 1935 describes a ‘Dance Recital by Queenie Royal and Andrae Swayn at the Conservatorium before they departed for London to continue their training. They were students of Miss Frances Scully. In 1945, Queenie married Craig Baynes, a documentary film producer in London.

Sometimes you unexpectedly meet people who have a huge effect on your life. There is no rhyme or reason, it just happens. It was meant to be. Real life stories.

Thanks to the State Library of NSW for permission to use these photos.

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War Records: World War Two Nominal Rolls & Service Records

Brothers Harry & Murray Turner

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If your looking for the details of Australian Defence Force or Merchant Navy personnel who served in World War Two then start with the World War 2 Nominal Roll. You can start with a search for even just a surname, such as Turner, and the alphabetical list of results will include the Name, Service number, Date of Birth, Place of Birth and whether they serviced in the Navy (RAN), Army, Air Force (RAAF) or Merchant Navy. This makes it a great place to locate Birth information for this time and ascertain whether it is your relative listed, although there may be spelling or other errors from the time. A more specific search will produce the following service details for brothers Harry Tanko Turner and Murray Arnold Turner who are pictured above.

Service Record
Name TURNER, HARRY TANKS (TANKO)
Service Australian Army
Service Number SX3164
Date of Birth 24-Feb-16
Place of Birth LOXTON, SA
Date of Enlistment 21-May-40
Locality on Enlistment KENSINGTON, SA
Place of Enlistment ADELAIDE, SA
Next of Kin TURNER, SARAH
Date of Discharge 27-Feb-43
Rank Private
Posting at Discharge 2/6 FD AMB 2 AIF
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No
Name TURNER, MURRAY ARNOLD
Service Royal Australian Air Force
Service Number 26395
Date of Birth 8-Apr-21
Place of Birth GRANGE, SA
Date of Enlistment 27-Apr-40
Locality on Enlistment KENSINGTON
Place of Enlistment ADELAIDE
Next of Kin TURNER, S
Date of Discharge 14-Mar-42
Rank Aircraftman 1
Posting at Discharge 2 AIR OBSERVATION SCHOOL                 MOUNT GAMBIER
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

You can print this information as a certificate which shows the Service Emblems, find information on locating Service Records including World War 2 and a link to the National Archives of Australia as well as many other useful links for Australian websites, applying for medals and overseas contacts for New Zealand, United Kingdom and the United States. There is also a Korean War (1950-1956) Nominal Roll link for Australian Defence Service man and women.

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War Records: Searching for WW1 Images and Stories

Graeme Lang Wilson  (1890-1915)

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Lance Corporal G.L. Wilson. 2nd Light Horse Regiment, AIF.
 

From the Australian War Memorial Roll of Honour

Name: Graeme Lang Wilson     Service Number: 230     Rank: Lance Corporal

Unit: 2nd Australian Light Horse Regiment     Service: Australian Army

Conflict: First World War, 1914-1918

Date of death: 19 May 1915     Place of death: Gallipoli, Ottoman Empire

Cause of death: Killed in action     Age at death: 25

Place of association: Brisbane, Australia

Cemetery or memorial details: Shrapnel Valley Cemetery, Gallipoli Peninsula, Canakkale Province, Turkey

Embarked: HMAT Star of England from Brisbane 24 Sept 1914

The Australian War Memorial Roll of Honour Circular has Lance Corporal G.L. Wilson’s place of death as Quinn’s Post, Gallipoli. It mentions that he was captain of Brisbane Grammar and Gatton College Football Teams, he was a student of electrical engineering and the brother of Principal Matron G.M. Wilson. G. Lang Wilson is also shown on Brisbane Grammar’s WWI Honour Roll.

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Other Sources

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission has the grave location (III. F. 22) and a link to a map of Shrapnel Valley Cemetery. Trove has an 1923 article telling the story of Mrs Wilson’s visit to Gallipoli and the grave of her youngest son, Graeme at Shrapnel Valley.

A Google search gives a wealth of other resources of varying usefulness.

The Australian Light Horse Studies Centre has the above photo of Graeme L Wilson from ‘The Queenslander dated 17th October, 1914 which can be found on Trove but is rather hard to read. The Queenslander has many pages of photos of soldiers in the various expeditionary forces.

Australian Anzacs in the Great Great War 1914-1918 an AIF Project by University of New South Wales. This site has most of the information in one place but no picture. Similar information is available at the State government of Victoria’s Anzac Centenary where  you can add images or stories if you have them.

The National Archives of Australia Discovering Anzacs is for Australian & New Zealand soldiers of world War 1 and the Boer War but only has a link to the personnel file for Graeme L. Wilson which shows that he was born at Indooroopily, Queensland in 1890 and was aged 24 yrs and 3 months when he joined on 2nd September, 1914. Queensland State Archives would be worth checking too but today it’s search is temporarily unavailable.

Here’s a photo and a map of Quinn’s Post from the Australian War Memorial’s Collection together with a brief history of the 2nd Light Horse Regiment. And that’s just the beginning!

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War Records: WW1 Roll of Honour at the Australian War Memorial

Cecil Edward Turner of Adelaide

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 Cecil Edward Turner, Service No. 7561, A.I.F. 10th Battalion, (SRSA GRG 26/5/4/42)

First World War Roll of Honour – Cecil Edward Turner

The Roll of Honour includes those who died while on active service or as a result of that service before April 1921. A ‘Search for a person’ for Cecil Edward Turner includes the following information.

Service number: 7561
Rank: Private
Unit: 10th Australian Infantry Battalion
Service: Australian Army
Date of Death: 24 April 1918
Place of Death: France
Cause of Death: Killed in Action
Age at death: 33
Place of Association: Tumby Bay, Australia
Cemetery or memorial details: Meteren Military Cemetery, Meteren, Nord Pas de Calais, France 

Beneath these details is a link to the original Roll of Honour Circular which was completed by the family and provided the information above as well as other valuable details including

Place of Birth: Hamley Bridge
Calling: Farmer
School: Sturt St, Adelaide
Other Training: Farming
Previous Service: None
Other: Member of Cummins Rifle Club previous to enlisting
Informant: Louisa J Turner
Relationship to Soldier: Wife
Address: 77 Halifax St, Adelaide, South Australia
Town or Place of Association: Tumby Bay, Eyre Peninsula, South Australia

The photo below shows Cecil E. Turner’s name which can be found on Panel 60 of the First World War Roll of Honour at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra and on the Tumby Bay War Memorial which was unveiled in 1926. As part of the World War One Centenary the names on the Roll of Honour will be projected onto the outside of the Hall of Memory during the night over the next four years. Over the next year or so there are seven dates when Cecil E Turner’s name is expected to be shown including Christmas evening 2014. Thanks to the State Records of South Australia’s Collection of Photographic Portraits of South Australian Soldiers for the above photo of Cecil Edward Turner.

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C.E.Turner AWM First World War Roll of Honour, panel 60

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War Records: WW1 Nominal Rolls at the Australian War Memorial

Miracles Do Happen!

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Harold George Turner,  Service No. 5185, 1st Divisional Signal Company (SRSA GRG26/5/4/779) 

Do you have a name, service number or unit for the First World War or other conflicts before searching for them on the Australian War Memorial‘s website? If not, a surname, some time and good luck will hopefully find this information for you.

Start in ‘People’ with ‘Search for a person’ and put in the details you have to see if you can find them. The results lead to the Roll of Honour, Commemorative Rolls and Nominal Rolls.

Nominal Rolls: First World War Embarkation Rolls

Service number: 5185
Rank: Sapper
Surname, first name: Turner, Harold George
Roll title: 1 Divisional Signal Company -13 to 16 Reinforcements (Jan-April 1916)   Date of embarkation: 5 Jan 1916
Place of Embarkation: Melbourne
Ship embarked on:HMAT Afric A19

Below this information you can view the original digitised record which includes further information including the next of kin. This helps if you are unsure of which person is the right one. The digitised record shows- 

Service number: 5185
Surname, first name: Turner, Harold George
Rank: Sapper
Age: 25
Trade or Calling: Railway clerk
Married or Single: S. (single)
Address at Date of Enrolment: Alexandra St, Prospect South Australia
Next of kin: Mother, Mrs T.C. Reade, Alexandra St, Prospect, South Australia
Religion: C. of E.
Date of Joining: 19 Aug 1915
Embarked:Melbourne on HMAT A19 Afric 5 January, 1916

Nominal Rolls: First World War Nominal Roll

Service number: 5185
Final Rank: Corporal
Surname, first name: Turner, Harold
Unit of service at the time of death or at the end of the war: 1st D. Sig. C.
Date of enlistment: 19-8-1915
Fate: RTA (Returned to Australia)
Date of death or fate: RTA 12-7-1919

There were no photos of Harold George Turner or his brother Cecil Edward Turner until very recently when it seemed like a miracle to finally see them in the WW1 photograph collection at the State Records of South Australia. It is hard to locate them individually by name as they are on Flickr so a google image search is much easier. Unfortunately, they are not available on Trove. Another excellent source where you can view photographs is The WW1 Pictorial Honour Rolls which includes Australian service personnel organised by state, navy personnel organised by ship as well as nurses. The biographies may provide details such as parents, birth, death or marriage which can be very useful. Here’s the entries for Harold George Turner and his brother Cecil Edward Turner who will be featured in the next blog on the Australian War Memorial’s Roll of Honour. Thanks to the State Library of Victoria for this image of ‘HMAT Afric’ which is available through Trove.

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War Records: WW1 Portraits at the Australian War Memorial

Cecil Stanton of Penrith

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Whilst preparing the recent workshops on Trove and Australian War Records Online at Penrith, I discovered this portrait of Cecil Stanton of Penrith at the Australian War Memorial. Many of us do not have photos of our more distant relatives and one such as this would be a great find. The image appears rather striking because he looks so young. It is dated 1916 and fortunately provides the following information attached to the image.

Portrait of 5087 Private (Pte) Cecil Stanton, 17th Battalion, of Penrith, NSW.

A labourer prior to enlistment, he embarked with the 13th Reinforcements from Sydney aboard HMAT Kyarra on 5 June 1916. Later transferring to the 33rd Battalion, Pte Stanton was wounded in action in France in February 1917. After several months in hospital he rejoined his unit in Belgium. On 2 June 1917, Pte Stanton died of wounds received in action at the 9th Field Ambulance, Belgium, aged 20. This portrait of Pte Stanton has been substantially hand-coloured and over-painted, with an atmospheric landscape scene added to the background. A similar hand-coloured commemorative portrait was made for Pte Stanton’s cousin, 5035A Private (Pte) William Young Hoswell, 17th Battalion, who was killed in action on 7 June 1917, aged 21.

William Young Hoswell

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Similarly, William Young Hoswell‘s portrait includes the following information:

Studio portrait of 5035A Private (Pte) William Young Hoswell, 17th Battalion, of Forbes, NSW.

A labourer prior to enlistment, Hoswell embarked from Sydney with the 13th Reinforcements aboard HMAT Kyarra on 5 June 1916. Later transferring to the 33rd Battalion, he arrived with his unit at the Ypres Sector of Belgium in mid 1917. Pte Hoswell was killed in action on 7 June 1917, the day the battle of Messines was lauched, aged 21. A similar hand-coloured commemorative portrait was made for Pte Stanton’s cousin, 5087 Pte Cecil Stanton, 17th Battalion, who died of wounds on 2 June 1917, aged 20.

It is encouraging to see how much information is provided by the Australian War Memorial for our benefit. We can now check these details against the AWM databases or other sources. Next we will investigate searching these databases for a person and locating the basic information such as name, service number, unit or conflict before venturing into the various rolls and records available online.

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